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Author Topic: Morgul Archers//Gondor Wraiths  (Read 2098 times)
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2009, 09:28:56 AM »
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Works pretty well with Sleepless Dead... str. 13 and you can discard the minion if you win. Grin

Fair enough. I know it isn't King-Block, but Banner of Westernesse does the same thing in a different way.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2009, 11:56:28 AM »
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Fair enough. I know it isn't King-Block, but Banner of Westernesse does the same thing in a different way.
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Actually, not really. You may heal another companion... and you don't get the strength boost.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2009, 12:21:00 PM »
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Fair enough. I know it isn't King-Block, but Banner of Westernesse does the same thing in a different way.
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Actually, not really. You may heal another companion... and you don't get the strength boost.

Sorry, I meant it like, "Give King of the Dead" a Banner of Westernesse and he can heal another companion. I should have explained it better...I don't know. End of the Game has its nice points, but I wouldn't pack so many because I wouldn't count on exhausted wraiths surviving. Add a bunch of threats, gain the initiative (as the Shadow player), discard Swept Away...there are many ways to beat Wraiths.
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2009, 02:26:10 PM »
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But you're still missing the point that Sleepless Dead is str 13 with End of the Game and discards the minion. King of the Dead + Banner gives you a 9 Sleepless Dead.

Anyway -- I'm not purporting that wraiths MUST be completely exhausted. It's your choice with them as much as it is with other companions. Just comes in handy at times if you know you can swing it. Wink
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2009, 11:53:08 AM »
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Since it's all about wraiths, someone tell me what's the fuss about shadow host.
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IMHO, that's not a really good companion.
I prefer 1000 times Cursed of Erech, and in my wraith deck I ended up fitting Elrond, Elven Lord so he can heal Aragorn (anduril) or Frodo (phlial of galadriel). Frodo is exerted by nfFatRoD
Also, I'd rather use Frodo, Hope of Free Peoples.
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2009, 08:51:59 AM »
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Since it's all about wraiths, someone tell me what's the fuss about shadow host.
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IMHO, that's not a really good companion.
I prefer 1000 times Cursed of Erech, and in my wraith deck I ended up fitting Elrond, Elven Lord so he can heal Aragorn (anduril) or Frodo (phlial of galadriel). Frodo is exerted by nfFatRoD
Also, I'd rather use Frodo, Hope of Free Peoples.

Shadow Host is great in a Wraith Deck -- Strength 13, Defender +1!  In my experience with wraiths (which is admittedly limited), you have to devote so many cards to the Wraith portion of your deck that you don't have a whole lot of room to support your Ring-bearer.  That Defender +1 ends up being clutch against swarm, especially since Wraiths aren't really known for their condition removal (and some swarms are very condition-dependent).

And it's not like you have to choose between Cursed of Erech and Shadow Host... they're both unique, so just play both of 'em.  =P

As far as the deck itself goes, I play kind of a weird version of Wraiths.  The way I figure it, as long as you can keep initiative and keep a Swept Away on the table, your Wraiths are virtually unkillable (outside of a wounding deck... more on that later).  However, durable though they may be, they're not necessarily all that great at killing things themselves (outside of a possible Sleepless Dead exertion).  They lack damage bonuses for the most part.

So I start a Cursed of Erech and Pippin, Wearer of Black and Silver.  I play something like 2-3 copies of Shadowplay.  This way, I can exert Pippin to exert minions as they come into play, then pop him back into my hand for a full heal and let my Wraiths finish off the exhausted minions for a double-move.  It's also nice having Pippin just as an option to absorb archery fire if you go against a wounding deck.

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NOTE:  I just realized that this was the King Block forum, not movie block.  Sooo... everything below this point doesn't really apply here, but I figured I'd leave it anyway, just in case anyone's lookin' into a Movie Block version of a Wraith deck.  =P

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Another idea (which I haven't actually tried out yet, but have always considered) is playing 2-3 Shards of Narsil and 4 copies of Still Sharp.  Still Sharp not only gives you a hefty +3 strength boost, but the much-needed damage boost as well.  Shards of Narsil allows you to stack extra copies of conditions that you aren't using, like every Swept Away beyond the first.  That way, you don't have to let it sit there and take up a spot in your hand, knowing that you've got to hold onto it in case the one you have in play gets discarded.  You can just throw it on your Shards and keep on cyclin', then bring it back when you need it.

Additionally, if you don't want to go above 5 companions (for fear of someone dropping some condition removal and an Enquea in the same turn), you could place every Wraith beyond 5 on the Shards and just pull them into hand when you need 'em.

Once again, I haven't actually tested the Shard thing, so I don't know if it works or not.  Just an idea.  =P
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2009, 09:42:28 AM »
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Shards of Narsil...great idea!
Some other notes on Wraiths:
-because they are Gondor, they don't have condition removal. Maybe running them with Gandalf (and Citadel to Gate as opposed to Aragorn, Driven By Need).
-Isildur, Bearer of Heirlooms is a really easy way to pump your Wraiths.
-Banner of Westernesse will keep you healed up!

That's all.
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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2009, 10:46:05 PM »
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I like the minion side, although I don't see how adding 4 Morgul Destroyer in the place of Nazgul will help you.  I believe they require a nazgul to spot for their effect, and if you eliminate the nazgul... well, it seems counterproductive.

As for the freeps, The Old Took once tried using Foes of Morder in a wraith deck to quickly exhaust all his wraiths.  While I'm not sure if it was technically legal considering there weren't any Sauron minions to exert, it couples with Might of Numenor to allow the freep player total wound management control.
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2009, 10:48:27 AM »
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As for the freeps, The Old Took once tried using Foes of Morder in a wraith deck to quickly exhaust all his wraiths.  While I'm not sure if it was technically legal considering there weren't any Sauron minions to exert, it couples with Might of Numenor to allow the freep player total wound management control.

My brother uses Foes of Mordor in his Wraith deck. It is legal. Pay the cost for no effect.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2009, 07:12:20 PM »
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ooh, I think you just opened Pandora's Box my friend.  There is too much abuse possible.
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2009, 07:25:25 PM »
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ooh, I think you just opened Pandora's Box my friend.  There is too much abuse possible.

Not in King Block! And Pandora's Box was opened long ago on that. It's a neat little trick.
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2010, 08:17:46 PM »
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As for the freeps, The Old Took once tried using Foes of Morder in a wraith deck to quickly exhaust all his wraiths.  While I'm not sure if it was technically legal considering there weren't any Sauron minions to exert, it couples with Might of Numenor to allow the freep player total wound management control.

My brother uses Foes of Mordor in his Wraith deck. It is legal. Pay the cost for no effect.
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Yeah, I do the same thing, so I can ditch the Dead Man of Dunharrow and Cursed of Erech for Oathbreaker and Sleepless Dead. The key to playing wraiths is knowing when to exhaust your wraiths and win the skirmish, and when to just lose the skirmish and take the wound, and the easiest way to lose the game is by trying to get your wraiths exhausted too quickly.

Also, if you do movie block, you might want to throw in The Shards of Narsil to save backup copies of Swept Away/SaMT, a premature King of the Dead, or save Elessar's Edict for when you're weak or think a big attack is coming.
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2010, 02:02:04 AM »
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How would having Bearer of Heirlooms boost the Wraiths? They aren't knights. O_o

Also, how would you ensure Wraiths win skirmishes? It seems that if they lose, without End of the Game helping, they'll die and kill everyone. Wraiths seem fun, but incredibly risky, even in Movie block or King block alone. :S
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2010, 02:15:09 AM »
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as long as you have swept away, you don't need to worry about losing,
BoH exerts three companions to skirmish, you can exert three wraiths
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2010, 03:44:42 AM »
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BoH isn't King Block legal.
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