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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:22 am |
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Okay, we’re done with Thorin’s Company for now, so let’s move on to something else for a while. I ended Duo #7 with the Lasting Alliances version of Gandalf, so let’s focus on him and his fellow wizards for a while, shall we?
Dáin’s DC Duos #8
Yes, I did say Wizards. Though neither is actually seen in The Hobbit, both Saruman and Radagast are prominently mentioned and have an impact on Gandalf’s journey; Radagast indirectly helps Beorn trust Gandalf and the Dwarves, and in the background, Saruman (or should I say Curunír) finally agrees to let Gandalf lead the charge against Sauron at Dol Guldur. So I thought they both deserved a spot in Lasting Alliances. Enjoy!
•Curunír, Head of the White Council
Ally • Home 3 [LA] • Wizard
Strength: 8
Vitality: 4
Signet: Elrond
At the end of each shadow phase, if you can spot Saruman, add or discard Curunír.
Each other Wizard’s twilight cost is -2.
At the start of each maneuver phase, you may exert Curunír and add either a threat or a burden to draw a card for each Wizard you can spot.
“...Gandalf had been to a great council of the white wizards, masters of lore and good magic....”
Making a FP version of Saruman proved to be no easy task. My first decision was whether to make him a companion, ally, or even a follower. I figured a companion didn’t quite make sense, since he never seems to leave Isengard. A follower wouldn’t give me a ton of flexibility. So an ally won out.
After that, I had to tackle the problem of making a FP version work when there were so many prominent minion versions of the same character. I originally had text along the lines of "Saruman may not be played", but in the end I decided that it would work better like Gollum/Sméagol, where they can coexist as two different "sides" of the character. In Gollum’s case it’s quite literally two different personalities in the same body, almost acting independantly at times. In the case of Saruman it’s a little more dicey, but since he shows one side to the world while living a "double life" up until Fellowship of the Ring, I figured following the Gollum/Sméagol blueprint would be okay. However, I didn’t want it to be TOO easy, so I added the serious penalty that comes when a Shadow player decides to play Curunír’s "dark side", Saruman: they basically get to play him for free. Too harsh, do you think?
As long as Saruman doesn’t interfere, Curunír is a very nice ally to have. If he hits the table as the first Wizard, you can play Gandalf AND Radagast for the price of just one. And then the real fun begins, as Curunír can turn into a card-drawing machine. For a simple exertion (which is nothing for this 4-vitality ally) and a threat or burden, you can draw up to three extra cards every turn. Not too shabby at all, eh?
Oh yeah, I know it’s unusual for an ally to have a signet, but I figured it fit nicely in this case. Now, of course, you’re wondering: Elrond? There’ll be more of those. Thorin and Elrond are the two new signets in my sets, but don’t worry, they’re the only ones. I didn’t go TOO crazy.
•Radagast, Gandalf’s Cousin
Companion • Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
Radagast is strength +1 for each Tree, Eagle, and Free Peoples mount you can spot (limit +3).
Fellowship: Exert Radagast and discard a card from hand to heal an Eagle, Tree, or Ent.
“‘...not a bad fellow as wizards go, I believe.’”
After sweating over Curunír, Radagast was easy. The only real debate I had was what culture to put him in: or my new [Mirkwood] culture. In the end, I settled on Mirkwood, which is represented here (and from this point forward) by that little )...at least until I can find a better icon.
Radagast does about what you’d expect, working with the animals of Middle-Earth. He can quickly become a powerful fighter, and provides awesome support to those Ent/Tree fellowships that have cropped up (no pun intended). Beyond that he’s kinda dull, so you likely won’t see him splashed into, say, a fellowship full of Dwarves. But there are TWO more versions of the brown wizard in my sets, so there may be some other fellowships for Radagast yet.
But that’s for another time. For now, we’ll stick to Gandalf and his "cousins" in Lasting Alliances, continuing throughout the week with some possessions and spells. Stay tuned! |
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:04 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: Okay, we’re done with Thorin’s Company for now, so let’s move on to something else for a while. I ended Duo #7 with the Lasting Alliances version of Gandalf, so let’s focus on him and his fellow wizards for a while, shall we?
Dáin’s DC Duos #8
Yes, I did say Wizard s. Though neither is actually seen in The Hobbit, both Saruman and Radagast are prominently mentioned and have an impact on Gandalf’s journey; Radagast indirectly helps Beorn trust Gandalf and the Dwarves, and in the background, Saruman (or should I say Curunír) finally agrees to let Gandalf lead the charge against Sauron at Dol Guldur. So I thought they both deserved a spot in Lasting Alliances. Enjoy!
• Curunír, Head of the White Council
Ally • Home 3 [LA] • Wizard
Strength: 8
Vitality: 4
Signet: Elrond
At the end of each shadow phase, if you can spot Saruman, add or discard Curunír.
Each other Wizard’s twilight cost is -2.
At the start of each maneuver phase, you may exert Curunír and add either a threat or a burden to draw a card for each Wizard you can spot.
“...Gandalf had been to a great council of the white wizards, masters of lore and good magic....”
the gandalf signet might be a better choice how can you play them for only one? reduce the saruman penalty to 2 or 3 IMO
• Radagast, Gandalf’s Cousin
Companion • Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
Radagast is strength +1 for each Tree, Eagle, and Free Peoples mount you can spot (limit +3).
Fellowship: Exert Radagast and discard a card from hand to heal an Eagle, Tree, or Ent.
“‘...not a bad fellow as wizards go, I believe.’”
he is has a potential to get very large. its fine.
But that’s for another time. For now, we’ll stick to Gandalf and his "cousins" in Lasting Alliances, continuing throughout the week with some possessions and spells. Stay tuned! |
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DáinIronfoot |
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:35 pm |
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sickofpalantirs wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: • Curunír, Head of the White Council
Ally • Home 3 [LA] • Wizard
Strength: 8
Vitality: 4
Signet: Elrond
At the end of each shadow phase, if you can spot Saruman, add or discard Curunír.
Each other Wizard’s twilight cost is -2.
At the start of each maneuver phase, you may exert Curunír and add either a threat or a burden to draw a card for each Wizard you can spot.
“...Gandalf had been to a great council of the white wizards, masters of lore and good magic....”
the gandalf signet might be a better choice how can you play them for only one? reduce the saruman penalty to 2 or 3 IMO
I understand why the Gandalf signet might be better, but I opted for Elrond due to the stronger connection to the Council.
You can’t play them for just ...sorry if I was unclear. What I meant was you can play both Gandalf and Radagast for the same cost, , as you would normally have to pay to play just one of them. Clearer now?
I’ll reduce the "Saruman penalty" (good way of putting it!) to , pending any other reviews saying it should go as low as .
sickofpalantirs wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: • Radagast, Gandalf’s Cousin
Companion • Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
Radagast is strength +1 for each Tree, Eagle, and Free Peoples mount you can spot (limit +3).
Fellowship: Exert Radagast and discard a card from hand to heal an Eagle, Tree, or Ent.
“‘...not a bad fellow as wizards go, I believe.’”
he is has a potential to get very large. its fine.
Okay, cool.
Thanks for the comments, SoP. Since this is another new thread of Duos, you get a fresh GP for reviewing. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:04 pm |
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Quote: • Curunír, Head of the White Council
Ally • Home 3 [LA] • Wizard
Strength: 8
Vitality: 4
Signet: Elrond
At the end of each shadow phase, if you can spot Saruman, add or discard Curunír.
Each other Wizard’s twilight cost is -2.
At the start of each maneuver phase, you may exert Curunír and add either a threat or a burden to draw a card for each Wizard you can spot.
“...Gandalf had been to a great council of the white wizards, masters of lore and good magic....”
I like it. However, you did say that the first ability is so that Saruman can be played basically for free - just keep in mind that the twilight would be added at the end of the Shadow phase, where it won’t be as useful.
Also, his twilight reduction for the Wizards applies to Saruman, so it probably evens out.
Wait, one more thing: are allies supposed to have signets?
Quote: • Radagast, Gandalf’s Cousin
Companion • Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
Radagast is strength +1 for each Tree, Eagle, and Free Peoples mount you can spot (limit +3).
Fellowship: Exert Radagast and discard a card from hand to heal an Eagle, Tree, or Ent.
“‘...not a bad fellow as wizards go, I believe.’”
Very cool, but I’m tempted to say that you should discard 2 cards with his fellowship ability. Also, why the sudden change from a signet-character to a character with resistance?
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DáinIronfoot |
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:26 pm |
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AnxiousChieftain wrote: Quote: • Curunír, Head of the White Council
Ally • Home 3 [LA] • Wizard
Strength: 8
Vitality: 4
Signet: Elrond
At the end of each shadow phase, if you can spot Saruman, add or discard Curunír.
Each other Wizard’s twilight cost is -2.
At the start of each maneuver phase, you may exert Curunír and add either a threat or a burden to draw a card for each Wizard you can spot.
“...Gandalf had been to a great council of the white wizards, masters of lore and good magic....”
I like it. However, you did say that the first ability is so that Saruman can be played basically for free - just keep in mind that the twilight would be added at the end of the Shadow phase, where it won’t be as useful.
True enough. But it’s still a hefty price to pay.
AnxiousChieftain wrote: Also, his twilight reduction for the Wizards applies to Saruman, so it probably evens out.
Good point.
Gameplay question: would his maneuver ability be able to spot Saruman? Can cards that are played on "a Wizard", like a staff, be played on a FP or Shadow Wizard? Never been quite sure about that....
AnxiousChieftain wrote: Wait, one more thing: are allies supposed to have signets?
Not normally, no, but I don’t see why they can’t.
AnxiousChieftain wrote: Quote: • Radagast, Gandalf’s Cousin
Companion • Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
Radagast is strength +1 for each Tree, Eagle, and Free Peoples mount you can spot (limit +3).
Fellowship: Exert Radagast and discard a card from hand to heal an Eagle, Tree, or Ent.
“‘...not a bad fellow as wizards go, I believe.’”
Very cool, but I’m tempted to say that you should discard 2 cards with his fellowship ability. Also, why the sudden change from a signet-character to a character with resistance?
Tempted to say or actually saying?
About signets and resistance: my sets have some of both. It’s mostly old-school, yes, with old site path rules and signets and old cultures and such, but I realize that this is a post-Shadows world, and I don’t want to completely ignore that, either. So while most characters have signets, some just have resistance. (Sometimes even different versions of the same character will go back-and-forth.) While Shadow cultures like , , and are prominent, there’s a bit of and , too. My sets are kind of a bridge between the pre-Shadows days and now. At least, that’s what I’m hoping to accomplish. Time will tell, I suppose.
Thanks for the review. Have a GP! |
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:05 am |
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Dáin’s DC Duos #9
As promised, here’s a couple Wizard possessions from Lasting Alliances, and we’re going old-school...with pipes. Enjoy!
•Gandalf’s Pipe, Toy of Fire and Smoke
Possession • Pipe
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Fellowship: Discard a pipeweed possession to remove or to discard a Shadow condition borne by a character bearing a pipe.
“‘You might find that smoke blown out cleared your mind of shadows within.’”
•Curunír’s Pipe
Possession • Pipe
Bearer must be a Wizard. When played on Curunír, the twilight cost of Curunír’s Pipe is -1.
Fellowship: Discard a pipeweed possession and spot X pipes to reveal X cards from an opponent’s hand.
“Now truth to tell, observing Gandalf’s love of the herb that he called ‘pipe-weed’...Saruman had affected to scoff at it, but in private he made trial of it, and soon began to use it....”
Since Curunír’s whole theme is about card drawing and revealing, I figured the fellowship ability worked out nicely. What do YOU think?
More stuff tomorrow!
EDIT: Changes made based on EL’s and AC’s comments. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:03 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: Dáin’s DC Duos #9
As promised, here’s a couple Wizard possessions from Lasting Alliances, and we’re going old-school...with pipes. Enjoy!
• Gandalf’s Pipe, Toy of Fire and Smoke
Possession • Pipe
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Fellowship: Discard a pipeweed possession to remove or to discard a Shadow condition from a character bearing a pipe.
“‘You might find that smoke blown out cleared your mind of shadows within.’”
I like it. A traditional pipe-like ability, but slightly better than the old ones.
• Curunír’s Pipe
Possession • Pipe
Bearer must be a Wizard companion or Wizard ally. If bearer is Curunír, the twilight cost of Curunír’s Pipe is -1.
Fellowship: Discard a pipeweed possession and spot X pipes to reveal X cards from an opponent’s hand.
“Now truth to tell, observing Gandalf’s love of the herb that he called ‘pipe-weed’...Saruman had affected to scoff at it, but in private he made trial of it, and soon began to use it....”
You could just say, "Bearer must be a wizard." Allies can normally bear possessions. You just can’t replay them between companions and allies. The fellowship ability is cool, but I doubt I’d use it in comparision to something like that Gandalf’s Pipe, Toy of Fire and Smoke.
I know allies normally can’t have possessions, but I figured that since Curunír is not your standard ally, I could make an exception here, too. (Do I need to say "Wizard" twice, though? Can I just say "Wizard companion or ally" instead?) Since Curunír’s whole theme is about card drawing and revealing, I figured the fellowship ability worked out nicely. What do YOU think?
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AnxiousChieftain |
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:20 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: • Gandalf’s Pipe, Toy of Fire and Smoke
Possession • Pipe
Bearer must be Gandalf.
Fellowship: Discard a pipeweed possession to remove or to discard a Shadow condition from a character bearing a pipe.
“‘You might find that smoke blown out cleared your mind of shadows within.’”
Awesome, although I think you should say ’discard a Shadow borne by a character...’.
DáinIronfoot wrote: • Curunír’s Pipe
Possession • Pipe
Bearer must be a Wizard companion or Wizard ally. If bearer is Curunír, the twilight cost of Curunír’s Pipe is -1.
Fellowship: Discard a pipeweed possession and spot X pipes to reveal X cards from an opponent’s hand.
“Now truth to tell, observing Gandalf’s love of the herb that he called ‘pipe-weed’...Saruman had affected to scoff at it, but in private he made trial of it, and soon began to use it....”
Like EL said, allies can bear possessions. The only thing I would change would be the wording of the twilight reduction to this: ’When played on Curunír, the twilight cost of Curunír’s Pipe is -1.’.
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DáinIronfoot |
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:21 pm |
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elf lvr wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: • Curunír’s Pipe
Possession • Pipe
Bearer must be a Wizard companion or Wizard ally. If bearer is Curunír, the twilight cost of Curunír’s Pipe is -1.
Fellowship: Discard a pipeweed possession and spot X pipes to reveal X cards from an opponent’s hand.
“Now truth to tell, observing Gandalf’s love of the herb that he called ‘pipe-weed’...Saruman had affected to scoff at it, but in private he made trial of it, and soon began to use it....”
You could just say, "Bearer must be a wizard." Allies can normally bear possessions. You just can’t replay them between companions and allies. The fellowship ability is cool, but I doubt I’d use it in comparision to something like that Gandalf’s Pipe, Toy of Fire and Smoke.
Really? Huh. And here I thought they couldn’t bear possessions. I’ll change it then.
I know it’s not quite as useful as some other pipes, but it still has its usefulness, especially with Curunír. After all, there’s no reason you can’t have Gandalf with his own pipe and another Wizard with this one, right? Throw in enough pipeweed and you can choose which ability is better for which situation.
Thanks for the review. Check your GP counter.
EDIT: Just saw your comments too, AC. I’ll make appropriate changes. Thanks! |
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:40 pm |
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Dáin’s DC Duos #10
I don’t think I’ve ever done two Duos on the same day before, but I see no reason I can’t start now. We’ve got a pretty lively crowd today, so why not?
Here’s two MORE possessions from Lasting Alliances. Enjoy!
Staff of the White Council
Artifact • Staff
Strength +1
Bearer must be a Wizard.
Bearer gains muster.
Each time a spell is played, you may exert bearer to add or remove .
“‘Halt!’ he called in a voice like thunder, and his staff blazed forth with a flash like the lightning.”
Technically it’s not a possession, I know.
I thought about throwing another version of Gandalf’s Staff into Lasting Alliances but decided to hold off for one of the later sets. Instead, I decided to have a generic staff that any of the three Wizards from the set could bear. Sure, it’s a little powerful, but so is the "Exert bearer twice to make a minion strength -3" of the regular old Wizard Staff. What do you think, though? Is it so powerful it overshadows the old generic staff?
•Gandalf’s Cloak
Possession • Cloak
Bearer must be a Wizard.
Bearer may not have his strength or vitality reduced by weather conditions.
Maneuver: If bearer is Gandalf, exert him and discard this possession to take a event into hand from your draw deck or discard pile.
“The old man with the casket threw aside his hood and cloak. ‘Here is Gandalf! And none too soon it seems.’”
Ah, another cloak. I always wondered why Decipher never made a card based on Gandalf the Grey’s cloak, and it’s prominence in the scene from the lore seemed to make Lasting Alliances a perfect time to bring it into the game. Not much to say other than that...it kinda speaks for itself. The only comment I have is that the culture consists of a lot of Men in my sets, and considering Gandalf was with the men of Dale when the lore’s scene took place, even THAT fits...taking their events into hand. *shrug* Just something nifty I realized as I was making it.
And its maneuver ability also sets up all those spells nicely. We’ll start those tomorrow, and I really mean "tomorrow" this time. Honest.
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