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CarpeGuitarrem
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:33 pm
Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 3361 Location: Franciscan University of Steubenville
60-60-60...yeah, we should have a rare count for culture specific. You can discuss...don’t make any DCs with rarity until we straighten that out.
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Anonymous Prodigy
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:36 pm
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 4197 Location: United States
Sorry, I’m a little late in posting in this thread.

EL, I’ll be glad to take the FP Gollums. Smile The idea of a 14/6 Shadow/FP split sounds good. Cool
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elf lvr
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:12 pm
Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 3065 Location: Rivendell
Okay, cool. If anyone has any ideas for cards that they’d like to be inculded, please post something here or pm me.
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elf lvr
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:54 pm
Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 3065 Location: Rivendell
The obvious other "tank" spider besides shelob is Ungoliant. Trying to make it powerful (she was Morgoth’s accomplice in attacking the Valar) without being overpowered, I’ve come up with this, what do you think?

10 .Ungoliant, Gloomweaver Gollum
Minion-Spider
Strength 12
Vitality 8
Site 8
Captain. Enduring. Fierce.
When you play Ungoliant, you may play two Gollum minions from your discard pile.

I’m thinking that however powerful it is, a 10 twilight cost with the abiltiy to play minions from your discard pile is a little twilight demanding. Maybe have some way to decrease her twilight cost? But how to do that without overpowering the card... I think the minion playing is a fitting ability, because Ungoliant is the first great spider, and the mother of all others.

Perhaps we could drop enduring to simply add to strength (captain won’t do much good in fierce skirmishes, well, maybe, if the other spiders are fierce...) and maybe add a toil cost?

Here’s a few ideas for gollums:

2 .Gollum, Riddle Master Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
When you play Gollum, spot a Gollum minion to reveal a card at random from the free peoples player’s hand. Add [x], where [x] is the twilight cost of the revealed card.

2 .Gollum, Murderer Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
Lurker.
Each time another Gollum minion wins a skirmish, make Gollum strength +2.

Thoughts?

Okay, so now here’s what I’ve got:

8•Ungoliant, Gloomweaver Gollum
Minion-Spider
Strength 10
Vitality 10
Site 8
Captain. Enduring. Fierce.
When you play Ungoliant, you may play up to 2 Gollum Spiders from your discard pile.

2 .Gollum, Riddle-Master Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
When you play Gollum, you may spot a Gollum minion to reveal a card at random from the free peoples player’s hand. Add [x], where [x] is the twilight cost of the revealed card.
Alive without breath, cold as death...

2 .Gollum, Murderer Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
Lurker.
Each time a minion wins a skirmish, make Gollum strength +2 until the regroup phase.
Murderer!
Last edited by elf lvr on Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:18 pm; edited 2 times in totalHappy Hunting! Elf Lvr
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Anonymous Prodigy
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:32 pm
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 4197 Location: United States
elf lvr wrote:
The obvious other "tank" spider besides shelob is Ungoliant. Trying to make it powerful (she was Morgoth’s accomplice in attacking the Valar) without being overpowered, I’ve come up with this, what do you think?

10 .Ungoliant, Gloomweaver Gollum
Minion-Spider
Strength 12
Vitality 8
Site 8
Captain. Enduring. Fierce.
When you play Ungoliant, you may play two Gollum minions from your discard pile.

Nice idea! A few suggestions: drop the cost to 8 and the strength to 10. Boost the vitality to 10, and toss in a spotting requirement, such as "To play, spot 2 Gollum conditions in your support area. Good card!

I’m thinking that however powerful it is, a 10 twilight cost with the abiltiy to play minions from your discard pile is a little twilight demanding. Maybe have some way to decrease her twilight cost? But how to do that without overpowering the card... I think the minion playing is a fitting ability, because Ungoliant is the first great spider, and the mother of all others.

Perhaps we could drop enduring to simply add to strength (captain won’t do much good in fierce skirmishes, well, maybe, if the other spiders are fierce...) and maybe add a toil cost?

Here’s a few ideas for gollums:

2 .Gollum, Riddle Master Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
When you play Gollum, spot a Gollum minion to reveal a card at random from the free peoples player’s hand. Add [x], where [x] is the twilight cost of the revealed card.

A little too powerful combined with the above Ungoliant. Change it to: "When you play Gollum, add X, where X is the number of threats you can spot." Spotting burdens is also an option.

2 .Gollum, Murderer Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
Lurker.
Each time another Gollum minion wins a skirmish, make Gollum strength +2.

Very nice text. This would be beastly with AC’s captain! Applause

Thoughts?
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Felipe Musco
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:00 pm
Joined: 18 May 2006 Posts: 2434 Location: Florianópolis, SC, Brasil
elf lvr wrote:

10 .Ungoliant, Gloomweaver Gollum
Minion-Spider
Strength 12
Vitality 8
Site 8
Captain. Enduring.
All Spiders are fierce.
When you play Ungoliant, you may play up to two Gollum spiders from your draw deck.

You might have to raise the cost a little, though, this seems pretty powerful, if there are cheap spiders. However, Watcher in the Water with Huge Tentacle and Foul Tentacles was not that great of a combo...

2 .Gollum, Riddle Master Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
When you play Gollum, spot a Gollum minion to reveal a card at random from the free peoples player’s hand. Add [x], where [x] is the twilight cost of the revealed card.

How ’bout exerting him? He could add tons of twilight for the Spiders!

2 .Gollum, Murderer Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
Lurker.
Each time another Gollum minion wins a skirmish, make Gollum strength +2 until the regroup phase.
I don't like YOU.
Anonymous Prodigy
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:58 pm
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 4197 Location: United States
Here goes the Freeps Gollum!


0 • Smeagol, Forgotten Stoor Gollum
Companion
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
Ring-bound.
To play, add a threat or exert a companion.
Each time Smeagol wins a skirmish, remove a burden or a threat.


3 Stoor of Gladden Fields Gollum
Event
Fellowship: Discard a Gollum condition to discard the top card of your draw deck; if it is a Gollum card, heal X companions, where X is the twilight cost of the revealed card.


Because of the 14/6 ratio, I will finish up with three events and a condition.
Last edited by Anonymous Prodigy on Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:39 pm; edited 1 time in totalI had to put something here.
AnxiousChieftain
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:52 pm
Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 3947 Location: Maryland
elf lvr wrote:
10 .Ungoliant, Gloomweaver Gollum
Minion-Spider
Strength 12
Vitality 8
Site 8
Captain. Enduring. Fierce.
When you play Ungoliant, you may play two Gollum minions from your discard pile.


I’d mix AP’s advice with FM’s to get this:

8 •Ungoliant, Gloomweaver Gollum
Minion-Spider
Strength 10
Vitality 10
Site 8
Captain. Enduring. Fierce.
When you play Ungoliant, you may play up to 2 Gollum Spiders from your discard pile.

Quote:
2 .Gollum, Riddle Master Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
When you play Gollum, spot a Gollum minion to reveal a card at random from the free peoples player’s hand. Add [x], where [x] is the twilight cost of the revealed card.

I like it a lot! The text really reflects the title. However, as FM said, you may want to add an exertion (or 2!).

Quote:
2 .Gollum, Murderer Gollum
Minion
Strength 5
Vitality 4
Site 3
Lurker.
Each time another Gollum minion wins a skirmish, make Gollum strength +2.

To make him more useful, I would let the strength bonus work when any minion wins a skirmish... not just a Gollum minion. Also, as FM said, make it last till the regroup phase.

Looks good so far! I’ll review AP’s cards soon.
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elf lvr
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:01 pm
Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 3065 Location: Rivendell
Cool! Thanks for the feedback. I think I’ll go with AC’s suggestions, as they include everyone’s critisisms. Thanks!
Happy Hunting! Elf Lvr
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AnxiousChieftain
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:03 pm
Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 3947 Location: Maryland
Anonymous Prodigy wrote:
0 • Smeagol, Forgotten Stoor Gollum
Companion
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
To play, add a threat or exert a companion.
Each time Smeagol wins a skirmish, remove a burden or a threat.

Needs to be ring-bound. Other than that, I think he looks good.
Quote:
3 • Stoor of Gladden Fields Gollum
Condition
Plays on Smeagol.
Fellowship: Discard a Gollum condition to discard the top card of your draw deck; if it is a Gollum card, heal X companions, where X is the twilight cost of the revealed card.

Seems like it ought to be an event instead, although I suppose you could keep it as a condition if you really wanted to.

Good cards!

- AC
MODS RULE. - lem0nhead

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